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	<title>Comments on: Web Standards Group London Meetup Update</title>
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	<description>the personal blog of Stuart Colville covering modern web development techniques and best practices</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Conyard</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/#comment-6418</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Conyard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the time and effort that went into the event, it was a good turn out, the presentations were thought provoking and the drinking (ouch - and damn the early times of the last trains back!).

I must say though whilst I agree with the premise of Andys' presentation that we must get a grip over standards and realise there is room for ivory snow, I can't agree that the "battle" has been won.  

The reason for this is that it's not that clients do not care about web standards (there are enough tick boxes on ITTs to show that it's often a consideration), rather it's clients and for companies choosing in-house HR that cannot tell between companies/candidates that do and do not work with standards.  The web standards "battle" will not be won until there is a easy way for those that shouldn't have to care about standards (clients), being able to tell apart companies/developers that do and do not adhere to them, or there is universal professional adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the time and effort that went into the event, it was a good turn out, the presentations were thought provoking and the drinking (ouch - and damn the early times of the last trains back!).</p>
<p>I must say though whilst I agree with the premise of Andys&#8217; presentation that we must get a grip over standards and realise there is room for ivory snow, I can&#8217;t agree that the &#8220;battle&#8221; has been won.  </p>
<p>The reason for this is that it&#8217;s not that clients do not care about web standards (there are enough tick boxes on ITTs to show that it&#8217;s often a consideration), rather it&#8217;s clients and for companies choosing in-house HR that cannot tell between companies/candidates that do and do not work with standards.  The web standards &#8220;battle&#8221; will not be won until there is a easy way for those that shouldn&#8217;t have to care about standards (clients), being able to tell apart companies/developers that do and do not adhere to them, or there is universal professional adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Cola</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/#comment-6415</link>
		<dc:creator>Cola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoroughly enjoyed it last night and a big thank you to Stuart for organising the event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoroughly enjoyed it last night and a big thank you to Stuart for organising the event.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/#comment-6394</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Stuart for organising such a great event!

And a big thanks to Andy and Chris for such interesting presentations.

Only got to speak to a few people after the event (Hi Nigel, Steve, David and the Multimap guys :)) but it was great to see such a large bunch of geeks having fun :)

Looking forward to the next one :)

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Stuart for organising such a great event!</p>
<p>And a big thanks to Andy and Chris for such interesting presentations.</p>
<p>Only got to speak to a few people after the event (Hi Nigel, Steve, David and the Multimap guys :)) but it was great to see such a large bunch of geeks having fun <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Looking forward to the next one <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Cherry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn't at the pub, as had to make sure I got the train home (mind you, if I'd known Andy was a neighbour I might have tried blagging a lift ...)

I enjoyed the seminar itself, though! It was great to see the Faces Of The Gurus and to get a glimpse of my fellow UK developers :) I didn't even realise there were such events in the UK. 

Thank you for organising it, Stuart.
Where will the photos be??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t at the pub, as had to make sure I got the train home (mind you, if I&#8217;d known Andy was a neighbour I might have tried blagging a lift &#8230;)</p>
<p>I enjoyed the seminar itself, though! It was great to see the Faces Of The Gurus and to get a glimpse of my fellow UK developers <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I didn&#8217;t even realise there were such events in the UK. </p>
<p>Thank you for organising it, Stuart.<br />
Where will the photos be??</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/#comment-6363</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm in for a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in for a few.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Bootle</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/#comment-6358</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Bootle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll be the one in the hat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be the one in the hat</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Callender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Callender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I will be along for a cold beer or two! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I will be along for a cold beer or two! <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I.will.be@the.bar :)</description>
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		<title>By: Iman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm In</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m In</p>
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		<title>By: Graham H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1+ for geeky beers / beery geeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1+ for geeky beers / beery geeks.</p>
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