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	<title>Comments on: Web Standards Group London Meetup Update</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Conyard</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/comment-page-2/#comment-6418</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Conyard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the time and effort that went into the event, it was a good turn out, the presentations were thought provoking and the drinking (ouch - and damn the early times of the last trains back!).

I must say though whilst I agree with the premise of Andys&#039; presentation that we must get a grip over standards and realise there is room for ivory snow, I can&#039;t agree that the &quot;battle&quot; has been won.  

The reason for this is that it&#039;s not that clients do not care about web standards (there are enough tick boxes on ITTs to show that it&#039;s often a consideration), rather it&#039;s clients and for companies choosing in-house HR that cannot tell between companies/candidates that do and do not work with standards.  The web standards &quot;battle&quot; will not be won until there is a easy way for those that shouldn&#039;t have to care about standards (clients), being able to tell apart companies/developers that do and do not adhere to them, or there is universal professional adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the time and effort that went into the event, it was a good turn out, the presentations were thought provoking and the drinking (ouch &#8211; and damn the early times of the last trains back!).</p>
<p>I must say though whilst I agree with the premise of Andys&#8217; presentation that we must get a grip over standards and realise there is room for ivory snow, I can&#8217;t agree that the &#8220;battle&#8221; has been won.  </p>
<p>The reason for this is that it&#8217;s not that clients do not care about web standards (there are enough tick boxes on ITTs to show that it&#8217;s often a consideration), rather it&#8217;s clients and for companies choosing in-house HR that cannot tell between companies/candidates that do and do not work with standards.  The web standards &#8220;battle&#8221; will not be won until there is a easy way for those that shouldn&#8217;t have to care about standards (clients), being able to tell apart companies/developers that do and do not adhere to them, or there is universal professional adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Cola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoroughly enjoyed it last night and a big thank you to Stuart for organising the event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoroughly enjoyed it last night and a big thank you to Stuart for organising the event.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/comment-page-2/#comment-6394</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Stuart for organising such a great event!

And a big thanks to Andy and Chris for such interesting presentations.

Only got to speak to a few people after the event (Hi Nigel, Steve, David and the Multimap guys :)) but it was great to see such a large bunch of geeks having fun :)

Looking forward to the next one :)

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Stuart for organising such a great event!</p>
<p>And a big thanks to Andy and Chris for such interesting presentations.</p>
<p>Only got to speak to a few people after the event (Hi Nigel, Steve, David and the Multimap guys <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) but it was great to see such a large bunch of geeks having fun <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Looking forward to the next one <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Cherry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t at the pub, as had to make sure I got the train home (mind you, if I&#039;d known Andy was a neighbour I might have tried blagging a lift ...)

I enjoyed the seminar itself, though! It was great to see the Faces Of The Gurus and to get a glimpse of my fellow UK developers :) I didn&#039;t even realise there were such events in the UK. 

Thank you for organising it, Stuart.
Where will the photos be??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t at the pub, as had to make sure I got the train home (mind you, if I&#8217;d known Andy was a neighbour I might have tried blagging a lift &#8230;)</p>
<p>I enjoyed the seminar itself, though! It was great to see the Faces Of The Gurus and to get a glimpse of my fellow UK developers <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I didn&#8217;t even realise there were such events in the UK. </p>
<p>Thank you for organising it, Stuart.<br />
Where will the photos be??</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/comment-page-2/#comment-6363</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in for a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in for a few.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Bootle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Bootle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be the one in the hat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be the one in the hat</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Callender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Callender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I will be along for a cold beer or two! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I will be along for a cold beer or two! <img src='http://muffinresearch.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I.will.be@the.bar :)</description>
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		<title>By: Iman</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/comment-page-2/#comment-6336</link>
		<dc:creator>Iman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m In</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m In</p>
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		<title>By: Graham H</title>
		<link>http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/06/29/web-standards-group-london-meetup-update/comment-page-2/#comment-6321</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1+ for geeky beers / beery geeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1+ for geeky beers / beery geeks.</p>
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